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Rammy
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Bring back Mclaren all is forgiven 
6 million a year to serve up the same old rubbish
James Beckham Downing Lampard thank you and goodbye.
No pace, no flair, no creativity. no idea!!! Totally outclassed by an ordinary side that got nowhere in the Euro's
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johnnio
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I think the biggest culprit was Rooney. Looks more and more brainless every game, hasn't a clue what position he's supposed to play in. Someone needs to set him down and draw him big colourful pictures of the 18 yard box, because that's where he needs to play. Lampard and Gerrard can play together, there's no earthly reason why they can't, but to do that you need your striker(s) to play in their right positions, not to wander off whenever they feel like it. Gerrard can run box to box all day, Lampard and Barry can pick their passes and Hargreaves can just sit in front of the back 4, simple as that - give me the job!
For the record, England were awful tonight; directionless, brainless, heartless. |
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lenahan
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150K/week from Chelsea on a five year deal till hes 35 ???
" This is my club..these are my people "
Not wrong there mate. Too bloody right!
Disclaimer: No offence to Chelsea fans intended. I actually always liked the chelsea of old.
lampard was actually meant to visit my mates primary school for a presentation with the kids. He was meant to go as an england representative on behalf of nationawide as my mates school had won some prize or something and the winners were to get an afteroon visit by the FA and a full england A international. lampard was the name.
He cancelled the day before. It was rearranged. He cancelled again. Third time when he was supposed to turn up it was a 17 year old youth england international that got drafted in last minute when lampard couldnt make it again. Poor form. This was over a year ago so couldnt have been anything to do with his mothers death. |
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YAIYAM
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After watching this tonight and even it only being a friendly I have just had a decent bet on Croatia to win group 6 @ 13/8 as must be the best 13/8 you will get in footbal and that goal has just about sumbed up Englands skill level
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lenahan
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The following is abit predictable coming from Rod Liddle but still i enjoyed it none the less taken from sundays times:
| BBC wrote: | An uplifting tale, this one : Fat Frankie Lampard has signed a new contract for Chelsea because of the way the club rallied around him when his dear old mum passed away. “When you sit down and weigh everything up,” said Frankie, “you realise that people feel strongly for you and show you so much at a difficult time in my life.”
How true, how very true that is. Human contact and loyalty - the important things in life. And it makes it perfectly clear that it wasn’t the money after all. Frankie may have been offered a humungous contract which will pull him in £34m, with him earning almost as much in one week as our prime minister earns in a year - but these base, material considerations did not remotely impinge upon Lampard’s mind. Go on, reader, wipe those tears away, have a cup of tea.
It is easy to see why Lampard is so singularly unlikeable, why neutrals such as myself suffered a slipped disc jumping for joy when he was quite unjustly sent off against West Ham United last season. His new manager, Luiz Felipe Scolari, summed it up when he said that Frankie was “a symbol of Chelsea”. Yes, that would be about right, Phil. The odd thing is, though, I think Scolari meant it in a good way.
And even more than that, you might argue that Lampard is a symbol of the Premier League itself; its extraordinary, almost surreal, self-regard, its vanities and its hubris. Its limitless greed, its assumption that we are all in thrall to its brilliance. We armchair Premier League viewers remember Frankie when he played for England - the lethargy, the witlessness, the shots from 20 yards out dispatched somewhere towards the T-shirt sellers 500 yards from the ground, the refusal to take the remotest responsibility when England had lost to the Turks and Caicos Islands, or whoever. The notion that embedded itself in our minds: actually, he’s not that good, is he? If we were being kind we might argue that it is not Lampard’s fault - or Ashley Cole’s - but the inevitable consequence of the culture in which he is immersed.
Lampard’s quoted reasons for staying at Chelsea brought to mind the comments of his occasional England colleague, Shaun Wright-Phillips, when he went there a couple of years ago. Having told the Manchester City faithful that he would remain a true blue forever, a week or so later Wright-Phillips became a Chelsea player - again, not for the money, but in order, he said, to improve his prospects of playing for England. How would that plan go, then, Shaun? Still, the money will be a consolation in both cases, one supposes.
Most of us will still watch from time to time, I suppose - not in the “stadia”, of course (heaven forbid) but from the comfort of our sofas. But you do detect the glimmerings of a disaffection with the league, with the financially-imposed inevitability of who wins and who loses - the antithesis of competitive sport. The most interesting match on day one was the relegation six-pointer between Hull City and Fulham; looking in from outside, that is the only game that really piqued the interest.
Last week, when asked to choose who would finish in the top six and who would go down, pure wishful thinking made me include Fulham along with Stoke and Hull - not out of any inveterate dislike of Fulham, you understand (although, obviously, I hate them, soft west London arriviste ok-yah monkeys that they are), but because hope springs eternal in the human breast and one simply cannot, in all good conscience, predict unrelieved boredom for people for the next nine months; top four same as ever, bottom three consisting of the teams that came up last year.
Competition is at its keenest in mid-table of course: will Blackburn finish higher than Manchester City by a point or two? Will Spurs, Pompey or Aston Villa finish fifth? Will Stoke manage to secure even fewer points than the hapless Derby gained? Watch this space!
The credit crunch may ensure that this season, the disaffection is reflected on the terraces even more than last year, although I don’t suppose that the administrators will care two hoots, as the bulk of the money now comes from TV and merchandise. An empty terrace for the home game against Wigan will not unduly trouble the bank balance of any Premier League team – except maybe Hull and Stoke, who will, in nine months’ time, sink back into the comforting embrace of the Championship where things are still agreeably, finely, poised.
The cost of taking the kids to a Premier League game now, in most cases, easily exceeds that which you might spend flying them to Spain for a week or so in the sun; the rewards, you might argue, do not. And then you hear the disingenuous rubbish from Lampard and compare it to the good-natured, unalloyed joy of a truly successful British swimmer (rather than an overremunerated also-ran), Rebecca Adlington, and you wonder what it is you are supporting, what it is to which you affix your loyalty - when no such loyalty is ever returned, unless buttressed by huge sums of cash.
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kickingkyle
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Anyone know what 2-2 was oddswise? Iknwo the draw was 13-5 because i fancied it but never backed and someone wasked me for a prediction which was 2-2. POOR POOR POOR game though
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I stopped caring about England a long time ago. Only remembered they were playing when I read this thread just now. Irrelevant. |
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RightJudgeIam
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| archie mackenzie wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | I was shocked when he was named in the starting line up.. he cant play in the same team as Gerrard
thought it was clear that Joe Cole played left with Barry and Gerrard in the middle..
no surprise England are playing poorly.. shape is all wrong |
hello RightJudgeIam
do you not think that stewart downing would be a better player on the left for england rather than cole
i cant understand why he is not a regular starter
thanks archibald. |
well yeah maybe Archie.. that's not the point I was making...
midfield of Gerrard and Barry in the middle with say Beckham and Cole or Downing and SWP...whoever they wanna pick on the flanks really
Lampard cannot play in the same team as Gerrard and has never looked an international imo
and I agree with Jenny about the Olympics..and that I cant be arsed to watch England anymore
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Owl of Minerva
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Far better club players than Lampard such as Matt le Tissier were just not cut out for international football so why do managers keep presuming that just because he's does ok at CHelsea then he must be in the England team? All this obsession with superstars, fame, money etc, even seems to cloud the judgement of managers these days and they can't even judge a player on their merits without being fooled by supposed stature/financial worth etc. |
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NoDough
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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"Gerrard and Lampard can't play together" ????
Lampard played central, Gerrard played "wide left" - please watch the game and put those tiddly-winks away
Downing - please, he is not international class |
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johnnio
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I think the problem isn't playing the two together, it's the lack of quality elsewhere. England don't have a good enough holding midfielder and good enough strikers to make it work, they don't have good enough wingers either, but given the quality in the centre, they shouldn't need them, their fullbacks can do that job. I do think also that too many players now don't regard playing for their country as the pinnacle of their career any more. Playing in the Champion's League is their main goal, England games just get in the way of the real deal; far too many seem to treat these games like Carling Cup matches.
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geordie_racer
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| NoDough wrote: | "Gerrard and Lampard can't play together" ????
Lampard played central, Gerrard played "wide left" - please watch the game and put those tiddly-winks away
Downing - please, he is not international class |
can you explain please?
presumably you
[a] can show us a list of occassions when they have played together with success, and
[b] can tell us that Gerard was not playing on the left of midfield yesterday
I look forward to the detail, meanwhile i shall continue to tiddle my winks as it seems to at least givce me a grip on reality
stewart downing, if given the number of opportunites afforded the under performing lampard, would be doing great things for england; good pace, can hold and cross the ball, and can score.
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LongJ0n
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't even bother watching this yesterday, these are very few England friendlies that are good viewing these days.
I can't start to argue with anyone about Lampard last night but i am a fan of his and rate him on the whole. One poor performance won't change that view! |
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NoDough
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | NoDough wrote: | "Gerrard and Lampard can't play together" ????
Lampard played central, Gerrard played "wide left" - please watch the game and put those tiddly-winks away
Downing - please, he is not international class |
can you explain please?
presumably you
[a] can show us a list of occassions when they have played together with success, and
[b] can tell us that Gerard was not playing on the left of midfield yesterday
I look forward to the detail, meanwhile i shall continue to tiddle my winks as it seems to at least givce me a grip on reality
stewart downing, if given the number of opportunites afforded the under performing lampard, would be doing great things for england; good pace, can hold and cross the ball, and can score. |
Explain = I was pointing out to a few posters that Gerrard and Lampard were not playing together in central midfield - that's a fact
a) no
b) are we splitting hairs here ?
Downing, good pace ? I don't think so - he appears a very ordinary player to me |
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YAIYAM
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| LongJ0n wrote: | Didn't even bother watching this yesterday, these are very few England friendlies that are good viewing these days.
I can't start to argue with anyone about Lampard last night but i am a fan of his and rate him on the whole. One poor performance won't change that view! |
One poor performance have you not seen any England game for the last 2/3 years.
Correct me if i am wrong but the 2 best performances England had in there efforts to qualify for the Euro's 2008 were when Lampard was out Injured and Gerard played along side Barry both in the centre of midfield and i think they won both games 3-0.
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