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Jimbob
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| harchiefan wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | | Sky_Of_Darkness wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | Yes he did touch the ball(as he admits himself. I don't think anybody says he didn't) but he's still a legend and one of the greatest players, if not the greatest ever to have graced a pitch.
The hatred that's still directed towards him by some England fans(not this one) for an incident that took place over 20 years ago goes a long way to explaining what's wrong with sporting mentality in this country. |
Is that not similar to your hatred of Roy Keane? |
Well that depends Sky. If you consider being a little bit naughty and knocking a football into a net with your hand to be as bad as brutally, deliberately and unremorsefully breaking someone's leg and then boasting about it in a book then I suppose you have a point |
Whose leg did he break Jimbob? |
Ok so I got a bit carried away in my rant and he didn't break Alf Inge Haalands leg but he may as well have done. My point is still valid. Roy Keane is the scum of the earth. Maradona is a genius who once punched a ball into the net when he shouldn't realy have done!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Jimbob wrote: | | merrymozzer wrote: | Paul Scholes punched a goal against Poland in 1999 
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Great point mate  |
Now that is a comparible incident. I for one would not be so fickle as to say one was ok and the other wasn't.
You still cant compare it to '66 though. No one cheated that day... unless the lino had a few quid on England! |
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harchiefan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a big fan of both of them.Not sure what that makes me. |
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jennywales
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| harchiefan wrote: | | I'm a big fan of both of them.Not sure what that makes me. |
Sensible? |
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Jimbob
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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For the record, I'm not saying Keane wasn't a great footballer . He was. Not quite as great as El Diego but still a phenomenal talent. It's just as a person, he's a very nasty piece of work imho.
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L.C.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Shilton should have jumped!
Cheers
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lenahan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I like both Keane and Maradona.
I dislike some of the things they have done on the pitch though of course.
Regards Maradonas handball i think it was probably a split second spur of the moment decision. South Americans are all Hot headed and unpredictable. I dont think it was a premeditated calculated attempt at cheating. How could it have been?
The Officials should have seen it but they didnt.
Have you ever seen a player try to incriminate themselves when they know they are getting away with something regardless of if it was deliberate or not ? |
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Machiavellian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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For someone who spent his career kicking seven shades of comma out of players far more talented than he was to be calling El Diego a cheat is outrageous. Butcher even tried to kick Maradona in half as he danced through the England side for his second goal but the great shithead wasn't even good enough to manage that.
Give me Maradona, Eusebio or Pele any day over the cheats who spent their careers trying to kick them out of games.
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The_Pilgarlic
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Do you mean Terry Butcher..... as in the one who is now practically Scottish?! 
I agree, I think he's being very petty. You'd think he'd take the opportunity to get near him as he didn't manage it in '86. |
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Machiavellian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Pilgarlic wrote: |
I agree, I think he's being very petty. You'd think he'd take the opportunity to get near him as he didn't manage it in '86. |
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alansouthcoast
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Jimbob wrote: | Yes he did touch the ball(as he admits himself. I don't think anybody says he didn't) but he's still a legend and one of the greatest players, if not the greatest ever to have graced a pitch.
The hatred that's still directed towards him by some England fans(not this one) for an incident that took place over 20 years ago goes a long way to explaining what's wrong with sporting mentality in this country. |
Nonsense, he is a drug taking cheat and this should not be tolerated in sport. No matter how gifted he was. The clue is in "cheat" and "sport" The same goes for athletes and cyclists on drugs, even the great ones.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Jimbob wrote: | Yes he did touch the ball(as he admits himself. I don't think anybody says he didn't) but he's still a legend and one of the greatest players, if not the greatest ever to have graced a pitch.
The hatred that's still directed towards him by some England fans(not this one) for an incident that took place over 20 years ago goes a long way to explaining what's wrong with sporting mentality in this country. |
Nonsense, he is a drug taking cheat and this should not be tolerated in sport. No matter how gifted he was. The clue is in "cheat" and "sport" The same goes for athletes and cyclists on drugs, even the great ones. |
I take it you feel the same sort of hatred towards Paul Merson, Tony Adams and (allegedly for the next lot) Frank Worthington, Rodney Marsh, Paul Gascoigne (ok, he's pretty well known to dabble in the powder)?
Or do you condemn everyone unreservedly who's ever made mistakes in their lives, and if so, when are you getting your halo, oh great one? |
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alansouthcoast
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So taking drugs is a good way to be a role model for kids then ?
For what its worth, I never once cheated when I played football. Maybe I am of an older generation, but i didnt deliberately foul, and if I was the last player to touch the ball I said so.
If having a few morals and not liking cheats or drugs deserves your sarcasm. I can live with that okay my old mate. As for hating people, thats not my style. Despising them, I can do.
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MT VESSELS
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I agree with you ASC.
I could never deny being the last person to touch the ball as i often did as i picked it up from the back of the net 
I was a crap goalie but fair
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| MT VESSELS wrote: | I agree with you ASC.
I could never deny being the last person to touch the ball as i often did as i picked it up from the back of the net
I was a crap goalie but fair
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But your errors were counteracted by a certain player up front in your team, Jason McAteer, before he was famous. 
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