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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Why hasn't anyone mentioned that toddler... Reply with quote

....that got beat up to death?

I'm not normally this sensitive but when they printed a picture of the poor little blighter (with his upturned face obscured) I almost shed a tear.

My children are young enough that I can remember when they used to be like that.

The poor little beggar wouldn't have even known what or why he was being punished like that.

The mother, boyfriend and lodger are getting off lightly if you ask me.

And Mrs Horseshoe (or whatever her name is ) of Haringey Council should be held accountable, because if her staff can't identify a problem after 60 visits to the childs home then something must be wrong.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's heartbreaking and could have been prevented if people had done their jobs properly.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5158574.ece

It was the same with Victoria Climbie

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What angers me is that four ministers knew about this, yet it wasnt prevented. Blair swore that whistleblowers would not lose their jobs, yet the social worker who lifted the lid, or tried to, was suspended. The whole things sickens me.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about this a few weeks ago in the Metro as the trial was starting, their defense was basically it didn't happen on my watch. I just felt they should throw away the key on these people the injuries the child suffered were terrible.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too upsetting.
Especially if you vent your spleen and then you get the liberals banging their drums, so will keep off the subject.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't let me start on this abomination.    
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What gets me is alot of these cases the social workers or any of the services for that matter have to report back and have to do risk reviews with costs evaluations to see if it is viable to refer these people for treatement to see if it is worth it or cost effective, now i am not naieve enough to know that these things can be done on a money no object bases but when you have a goverment bailing out bankers for the sums of billions of pounds who basically could not do there job properly, paid themselves or others bonuses that were not actually waranted and got themselves into a financial mess why should on the whole services like this have to penny pinch to help the most unfortunate people in this society which in this case was the toddler
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really annoys me is David Cameron attempting to score some political points over this! What a disgusting, cheap trick
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind the political angle or social services culpability, do people like this live in a vacuum?

What about the neighbors/extended family? Surely the child must have screamed repeatedly under such treatment. Do people care so little about what goes on around them that they couldn't pick up the phone and tell somebody in a position to take charge?

It's unbeleivable really.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lochsong wrote:
Nevermind the political angle or social services culpability, do people like this live in a vacuum?

What about the neighbors/extended family? Surely the child must have screamed repeatedly under such treatment. Do people care so little about what goes on around them that they couldn't pick up the phone and tell somebody in a position to take charge?

It's unbeleivable really.


I read this coumn in The Times yesterday LS. Whether you agree with what she says or not it at least provides an answer to the question you've asked

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...illa_cavendish/article5150600.ece
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says something about our society when 50,000 people petition to have a sing song contestant reinstated because of supposed dodgy voting, yet nobody spots a child being beaten to death.  

MT is probably right. This topic is too upsetting.

Rant over.  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the real villains here are the adults who perptrated the crime

Im sure that anyone who work in social services//healthcare in this area will tell you that they are underpaid, under-resourced and drowning in beaureaucracy

there's no doubt that some mistakes have been made here but the problem with the social services lies (I think) in a lack of funding, an over-formalised and paper-work based system and under-paid / under-resourced staff who are mainly demoralised and under motivated.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks JB

I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.

GR

I agree with your first sentence.

The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lochsong wrote:
Thanks JB

I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.

GR

I agree with your first sentence.

The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession.


so its ok to underfund vital services and pay people in them badly?

did you say the same when nuses wanted a pay rise?

shouuld we reduce the fireman's pay and the paramedics pay because, after all, they shouldnt be in ti for the money?

there is a fundamental difference between people being "in it for the oney" annd being underpaid
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lochsong wrote:
Thanks JB

I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.

GR

I agree with your first sentence.

The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession.


so its ok to underfund vital services and pay people in them badly?

did you say the same when nuses wanted a pay rise?

shouuld we reduce the fireman's pay and the paramedics pay because, after all, they shouldnt be in ti for the money?

there is a fundamental difference between people being "in it for the oney" annd being underpaid


You can drag up the essential services if you want GR

That just clouds the issue.

We are talking about the systematic beating of a child here, not a house on fire or a car accident or treatment to patients that are already in care.

Thankfully those folks care about what they are doing.

Who cares for the little toddler that is being smacked around their head day in and day out until they die?

It's a hard issue to deal with.

And seeing through the lies and deception is a hard job.
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