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lochsong Group Performer


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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: Why hasn't anyone mentioned that toddler... |
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....that got beat up to death?
I'm not normally this sensitive but when they printed a picture of the poor little blighter (with his upturned face obscured) I almost shed a tear.
My children are young enough that I can remember when they used to be like that.
The poor little beggar wouldn't have even known what or why he was being punished like that.
The mother, boyfriend and lodger are getting off lightly if you ask me.
And Mrs Horseshoe (or whatever her name is ) of Haringey Council should be held accountable, because if her staff can't identify a problem after 60 visits to the childs home then something must be wrong.
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suejoe Group Performer


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What angers me is that four ministers knew about this, yet it wasnt prevented. Blair swore that whistleblowers would not lose their jobs, yet the social worker who lifted the lid, or tried to, was suspended. The whole things sickens me. _________________ If at first you dont succeed..then skydiving isnt for you |
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theGoingStick Moderator


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| I read about this a few weeks ago in the Metro as the trial was starting, their defense was basically it didn't happen on my watch. I just felt they should throw away the key on these people the injuries the child suffered were terrible. |
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MT VESSELS Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Too upsetting.
Especially if you vent your spleen and then you get the liberals banging their drums, so will keep off the subject.
MT jnr _________________ THERE ARE 2 RULES TO SUCCESS. RULE 1)DONT TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU KNOW |
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Please don't let me start on this abomination.  _________________ WE ARE NOT STRANGERS, JUST FRIENDS WHO HAVE NEVER MET.  |
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YAIYAM Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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What gets me is alot of these cases the social workers or any of the services for that matter have to report back and have to do risk reviews with costs evaluations to see if it is viable to refer these people for treatement to see if it is worth it or cost effective, now i am not naieve enough to know that these things can be done on a money no object bases but when you have a goverment bailing out bankers for the sums of billions of pounds who basically could not do there job properly, paid themselves or others bonuses that were not actually waranted and got themselves into a financial mess why should on the whole services like this have to penny pinch to help the most unfortunate people in this society which in this case was the toddler _________________ Forest are Treemendous
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Jimbob Moderator


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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What really annoys me is David Cameron attempting to score some political points over this! What a disgusting, cheap trick  _________________ We're gonna go up to Maine & eat some clams & lobster,
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lochsong Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Nevermind the political angle or social services culpability, do people like this live in a vacuum?
What about the neighbors/extended family? Surely the child must have screamed repeatedly under such treatment. Do people care so little about what goes on around them that they couldn't pick up the phone and tell somebody in a position to take charge?
It's unbeleivable really. _________________ By the way, that's Master Minded jumping the last at Sandown. |
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Jimbob Moderator


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| lochsong wrote: | Nevermind the political angle or social services culpability, do people like this live in a vacuum?
What about the neighbors/extended family? Surely the child must have screamed repeatedly under such treatment. Do people care so little about what goes on around them that they couldn't pick up the phone and tell somebody in a position to take charge?
It's unbeleivable really. |
I read this coumn in The Times yesterday LS. Whether you agree with what she says or not it at least provides an answer to the question you've asked
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...illa_cavendish/article5150600.ece _________________ We're gonna go up to Maine & eat some clams & lobster,
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lochsong Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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It says something about our society when 50,000 people petition to have a sing song contestant reinstated because of supposed dodgy voting, yet nobody spots a child being beaten to death.
MT is probably right. This topic is too upsetting.
Rant over.  _________________ By the way, that's Master Minded jumping the last at Sandown. |
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geordie_racer Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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the real villains here are the adults who perptrated the crime
Im sure that anyone who work in social services//healthcare in this area will tell you that they are underpaid, under-resourced and drowning in beaureaucracy
there's no doubt that some mistakes have been made here but the problem with the social services lies (I think) in a lack of funding, an over-formalised and paper-work based system and under-paid / under-resourced staff who are mainly demoralised and under motivated. _________________ Geordie_R
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lochsong Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks JB
I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.
GR
I agree with your first sentence.
The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession. _________________ By the way, that's Master Minded jumping the last at Sandown. |
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geordie_racer Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| lochsong wrote: | Thanks JB
I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.
GR
I agree with your first sentence.
The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession. |
so its ok to underfund vital services and pay people in them badly?
did you say the same when nuses wanted a pay rise?
shouuld we reduce the fireman's pay and the paramedics pay because, after all, they shouldnt be in ti for the money?
there is a fundamental difference between people being "in it for the oney" annd being underpaid _________________ Geordie_R
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lochsong Group Performer


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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | lochsong wrote: | Thanks JB
I'm well aquainted with what is in your newspaper excerpt. Where I come from they didn't even have social services as such. They just let them get on with it.
GR
I agree with your first sentence.
The rest of it is hogwash. If those folks are in it for the money then they need to find another profession. |
so its ok to underfund vital services and pay people in them badly?
did you say the same when nuses wanted a pay rise?
shouuld we reduce the fireman's pay and the paramedics pay because, after all, they shouldnt be in ti for the money?
there is a fundamental difference between people being "in it for the oney" annd being underpaid |
You can drag up the essential services if you want GR
That just clouds the issue.
We are talking about the systematic beating of a child here, not a house on fire or a car accident or treatment to patients that are already in care.
Thankfully those folks care about what they are doing.
Who cares for the little toddler that is being smacked around their head day in and day out until they die?
It's a hard issue to deal with.
And seeing through the lies and deception is a hard job. _________________ By the way, that's Master Minded jumping the last at Sandown. |
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