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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Breeders Cup Ladies Classic/Distaff Reply with quote

Zenyatta looks an absolute machine  

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In the 2008 Lady's Secret Stakes Zenyatta ran as Secretariat once did: each quarter faster than the one before. Her splits were :24 4/5, :23 4/5, :23 1/5, :22 3/5, and a final sixteenth in :06 flat.


Here's a video of the race :-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OnUmOaIhI

Her target is this race and will be a hot favourite on the day, proved on course, going and distance. She's around evens at the moment, I'm wondering whether her sp will be much shorter  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant see the evens lasting, unless there is something just as special in the race.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evens looks a bad price to me. She's been winning weak races and has to prove herself in tougher company. I like the look of the Godolphin fillies for this
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Evens looks a bad price to me. She's been winning weak races and has to prove herself in tougher company. I like the look of the Godolphin fillies for this


Blimey I must have read her form completely differently to you. Beating Ginger Punch by 8 lengths at the start of the season and Hysterical Lady by 3 lengths in her trial for this is the best form on offer IMO.

I can see her going off a lot shorter than evens on the day.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenyatta deserves to be favourite as she has consistent form on the surface but she doesn't have as much in hand as an antepost price of evens would suggest imo.

Music Note has just about the strongest form in the race but is unproven on the surface. I like Cocoa Beach a lot too.

Evens Zenyatta, 6/1 Cocoa Beach (probably Evs+ for a place) - no contest as to how to play the race imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The style of Zenyatta's wins give the impression she has a lot lot more in hand than she has shown and she normally races off the pace and wide of the field before hitting the front.

She has has the form on both dirt & synthetic surfaces which cannot be said about most of the field, she looks pretty rock solid to me though I would agree that evens is as skinny as she should be.

The consistent Hystericalady at 14/1 with Ladbrokes is a solid alternative imo I would be surprised if she is not in the mix at the very least.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chances are i am pitching music note from exotics
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chances are i am pitching music note from exotics


Don't you fancy Zenyatta cre8flow ?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

she is a very nice but why not the bc classic-because she isnt all that

she has had it her own way most of the year

believe she may be best at 1 1/16 -that 9f race of hers wasnt all that

not in love with 3/5 horses-that is all and will try to beat her with small wagers
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Evens looks a bad price to me. She's been winning weak races and has to prove herself in tougher company. I like the look of the Godolphin fillies for this


she crushed ginger punch on dirt at oaklawn

ginger punch won bc last year
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Owl of Minerva wrote:
Evens looks a bad price to me. She's been winning weak races and has to prove herself in tougher company. I like the look of the Godolphin fillies for this


she crushed ginger punch on dirt at oaklawn

ginger punch won bc last year


Ginger Punch is a very average horse
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cre8flow wrote:
she is a very nice but why not the bc classic-because she isnt all that

she has had it her own way most of the year

believe she may be best at 1 1/16 -that 9f race of hers wasnt all that

not in love with 3/5 horses-that is all and will try to beat her with small wagers


I see, so it's more the price that puts you off Zenyatta, which is understandable.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theGoingStick wrote:
cre8flow wrote:
she is a very nice but why not the bc classic-because she isnt all that

she has had it her own way most of the year

believe she may be best at 1 1/16 -that 9f race of hers wasnt all that

not in love with 3/5 horses-that is all and will try to beat her with small wagers


I see, so it's more the price that puts you off Zenyatta, which is understandable.


Surely you should judge every horse purely on price. If she was 2/1 I'd be all over her
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owl of Minerva wrote:
theGoingStick wrote:
cre8flow wrote:
she is a very nice but why not the bc classic-because she isnt all that

she has had it her own way most of the year

believe she may be best at 1 1/16 -that 9f race of hers wasnt all that

not in love with 3/5 horses-that is all and will try to beat her with small wagers


I see, so it's more the price that puts you off Zenyatta, which is understandable.


Surely you should judge every horse purely on price. If she was 2/1 I'd be all over her


Definately should be a combination of price and form.

The problem I'm having with Zenyatta is that I've been hearing loads and loads of hype about her. Things like "she's Americans version of Zarkava"/"breeders cup banker material" etc etc and all of this added to what in my eyes looks like a decent race record builds her up in my mind.

This race looks a simpler puzzle to solve than most of the other Breeders Cup races at the moment, there's just the minor question of seeing the final declarations now  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Definately should be a combination of price and form.



Surely you assess the form and then decide whether the price is right. So at the end of the day the final decision has to come down to price. It's all relative, and price has to be the deciding factor.


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