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YAIYAM
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whose army air force and navy did they join?
They did not Join they fought along side under a name called the Allies as you know, they were never part of the British forces Britain forces was part of the Allies
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| YAIYAM wrote: | But you're still projecting your own personal views about what constitutes 'the good life' and considering this perspective to be some kind of universal baromoeter.
You're incredibly dismissive of anything that doesn't fit in with your very narrow view of the world. I'm also quite dismissive at times but at least I don't base this dismissiveness on a narrow view of what is good/bad and right/wrong. I accept that different things work for different people whereas you just always seem to presume that unless they view the world in the same way as you then they must be stupid and un-enlightened.
No what i was saying is that alot of the stuff that gets written to why brittain is so great especially when it comes to things like the war are completly untrue and fed to you at school and by our literature which does not make it 100% the truth so unless you are prepared to dig deeper yourself you always believe that rubbish, it does not make someone stupid or unlightened it just means they have just believed what has been told to them a bit i guess like a suicide bomber.
My view of the world is not narrow it is probably wider than most peoples and if what constitutes "the good life" as being a well formed society then i cannot see how it is a bad thing, are you saying having a society where hardly anyone talks to anyone and most peoples days consist of bed, work and staying at home being is a good society to be involved in |
I agree that a sense of society is a good thing. But just because we may lack the same sense of society as some other coutnries does not mean that we as a nation have "nothing" to be proud of as you said. You yourself said that you judged a country on only one asepct - sense of society - how is this not a narrow view of the world?
| Quote: | | (I'm proud of) Nothing because it is built on lies, propaganda & force . . . . i only really believe strongly in one thing which is where everything else stems from which is society |
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YAIYAM
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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because as already said a good society in itself leads to everything else having a better chance of working and at this time because society in this country is failing so badly(mainly due to supermarkets) everything else will be harder to achieve
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| geordie_racer wrote: | | YAIYAM wrote: | the fact that from 1939 to 1942 we stood alone in the west against the might of hitler's germany and without help from other nations fought off his attempts at invasion and rid Mainland Europe of the Nazis.
Well this for one is hardly anywhere near correct especially the underlined part |
which other western nations were fighting hiltler between those years? |
Neither of you are totally right. The only time Britain was fighting Germany alone, was between early June 1940, after Dunkirk, until after the Germany invaded Russia in June 1941. Even then out of some 3000 pilots in the Battle of Britain, 600 or so were from overseas.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | YAIYAM wrote: | the fact that from 1939 to 1942 we stood alone in the west against the might of hitler's germany and without help from other nations fought off his attempts at invasion and rid Mainland Europe of the Nazis.
Well this for one is hardly anywhere near correct especially the underlined part |
which other western nations were fighting hiltler between those years? |
Neither of you are totally right. The only time Britain was fighting Germany alone, was between early June 1940, after Dunkirk, until after the Germany invaded Russia in June 1941. Even then out of some 3000 pilots in the Battle of Britain, 600 or so were from overseas. |
hang on Alan
which other countries fought against the Nazis after we declared war? the poles had been sujugated, the French never fought. And Russia isnt western. Thats why I put that word in;- of course the ill-judged invasion of Russia, in breach of the non-aggression pact he had negotiated before the Anschluss and invading Poland was probably the single biggest reason hitler lost.
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YAIYAM
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | geordie_racer wrote: | | YAIYAM wrote: | the fact that from 1939 to 1942 we stood alone in the west against the might of hitler's germany and without help from other nations fought off his attempts at invasion and rid Mainland Europe of the Nazis.
Well this for one is hardly anywhere near correct especially the underlined part |
which other western nations were fighting hiltler between those years? |
Neither of you are totally right. The only time Britain was fighting Germany alone, was between early June 1940, after Dunkirk, until after the Germany invaded Russia in June 1941. Even then out of some 3000 pilots in the Battle of Britain, 600 or so were from overseas. |
I would have thought but am not totally sure the battles of Denmark & Norway would have been between those dates which of course involved British troops but also had soldiers from both the local nations.
My point is more basic in that you cannot say something has been done alone by one group of people/nation when there were so many other contributing factors
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YAIYAM
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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which other countries fought against the Nazis after we declared war?
Countries do not fight wars the people who belong to those countries do the fighting so did not Australia & New Zealand send there trrops before the end of 1939 so although the actual country did not up root itself they still as nations were fighting the Germans
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Geordie, read about how many French, Dutch, Belgians ect died in 1940. Dont forget Germany didnt invade France and Belgium until May 1940, although part of the French army didnt fight, many did.
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| alansouthcoast wrote: | | Geordie, read about how many French, Dutch, Belgians ect died in 1940. Dont forget Germany didnt invade France and Belgium until May 1940, although part of the French army didnt fight, many did. |
Belgium tried to declare itself neutral, the BEF went in, the Germans fire bombed one place [a major defence point from memory, can't be bothereed to look it up] and Belgium surrendered
the Dutch tried flooding their lands as a barrier to invasion, Rotterdam was bombed to bits and the dutch surrendered to save further attacks
the french...well degaulle did try to stop an invasion with some armoured cars, but the germans had gone round the maginot line [which the french hadnt left, forgetting that you could round it rather than through it] and after degaulle retreated from that single attack, the french effectively surrendered
so im not sure how many Belgian or dutch soldiers actually fought; both nations surrendered in the face of a form of blitzkreig
the french gave up the ghost pretty quickly, and were supposed to be assisting the BEF. but didnt
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Owl of Minerva
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| YAIYAM wrote: | | because as already said a good society in itself leads to everything else having a better chance of working and at this time because society in this country is failing so badly(mainly due to supermarkets) everything else will be harder to achieve |
Absolute nonsense. Can't be bothered to say too much - bang head brick wall - but all I will say is that you seem to have your cause and effect a little mixed up |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| YAIYAM wrote: | | because as already said a good society in itself leads to everything else having a better chance of working and at this time because society in this country is failing so badly(mainly due to supermarkets) everything else will be harder to achieve |
I was wondering why you feel supermarkets create a dysfunctional society in the UK ?
When I first read that I thought it was quite funny but I know from previous posts you've said that you avoid them at all costs and go out of your way to buy produce from farms/small outlets. I thought that it was all to do with value for money and quality of food I didn't realise there were other issues involved in that decision. |
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suejoe
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This is one of our best debates yet!
Let me know when you're ready for a group hug!
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lochsong
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| suejoe wrote: | This is one of our best debates yet!
Let me know when you're ready for a group hug!
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I'm ready for a hug.
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suejoe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| lochsong wrote: | | suejoe wrote: | This is one of our best debates yet!
Let me know when you're ready for a group hug!
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I'm ready for a hug.
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Just for you then LS
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suejoe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think everyone's gone to bed
I'm waiting to hear YY's take on supermarkets 
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