RightJudgeIam
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Football system 2008-9Some of you may remember I followed a system last season and I am doing so again. Here are my notes on it:
Football System 2008-9
Comment: this system is designed to find football teams that will win on at fairly regular basis at decent odds. Therefore, we discard the best teams and the worst teams and pick the middle rankers. This will work for any division in any country and my goal is to run it in Eng Prem, Championship, 1 and 2, Spain, Italy, France and Germany.
1. Start with the Premiership. Looking at the Outright Betting market, discard the 4 shortest teams in the betting and the 6 longest priced teams, leaving a list like this:
Tottenham
Man City
Aston Villa
Everton
Newcastle
Portsmouth
Blackburn
West Ham
Middlesbrough
Wigan
2. Back each team 1 point win at the start of each cycle. Note they be playing each other so remember you still have to back both teams. So in the first round place 10 x 1 point win singles
3. Once the results of round 1 are known, eliminate the teams that have won and in round 2 place 2 point win singles on the remaining teams. So, for example, 3 teams win in round 1 leaving 7 teams to bet in the second round therefore we would place 7 x 2 point win singles
4. Continue the process until all the teams have won*
Notes:
1. You may find, as I did last year, that you end up with say 3 teams left in round 4 and 2 of those go ahead and win leaving just one team in round 5. At that point you may have to decide to start all over from the beginning with the original 10 as it may not be worth persevering with a team that has not won in 4 matches. (this actually happened with Bolton Wanderers last year who promptly won away at Man Utd at 12/1 so there is a risk you miss a big bet on a good priced winner)
2. After a couple of cycles, you may discovr that one of the original 10 teams is struggling and it may be worth replacing them at the end of a cycle. (I had Reading in at the start of last year and they were terrible)
3. The theory goes that we are going to win our money on each team eventually – this is why we eliminate them when they win an double up on them when they lose as we expect them to win a game sooner or later.
4. I would suggest a bank of 50 points is required to be safe but you could have more if you wanted.
5. Shop around for the best prices on each game – for obvious reasons
6. League games only (no cup games) including mid-week
Other Divisions
Unless you are an expert on a particular division, I would wait for 10 games to be played before you start the system on them. This will allow some sort of order to be established. Again, select the middle 10 teams from the League table this time
Andy, this is extremely easy to run, takes only a few minutes a week and is very low risk. Good profits can be made especially when you get an upset victory (Man City beat Man Utd twice, Middlesbrough beat Arsenal, Bolton beat Man utd).
I am going to run with the Prem and then move into the other divisions later.
Hope you like it
I am actually starting with a bank of 30 points for this system for the Premiership only and starting with 10 x 1 point win singles on the above 10 teams
Middlesborough @ 3.5 vs Tottenham @ 2.36
Everton @ 2.08 vs Blackburn @ 4.4
West Ham @ 2.08 vs Wigan @ 4.4
Aston Villa @ 1.91 vs Man City @ 5.3
Portsmouth @ 14.5 away vs Chelsea
Newcastle @ 15.5 away vs Man Utd
Once these results are known it will be 2 point win singles on the remaining teams in their next match.
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accajacca
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people use this in casinos on red and black etc. it's called Martingale betting and in short you double up 'til you win.
the problem being of course that if a team goes 5 games without a win (regular occurence) your next bet will be 32 points of a 50 point bank on a team out of form.
people who bet like this lose, and i can't believe you are labelling it as a "system" !!
i remember reading a thread you started yonks ago backing/laying favourites and doubling up 'til you win and trying to pass it off as a combination of marxism and gambling!
honestly judge, you seem like an alright bloke alot of the time, but for someone who claims to be a pro gambler and often critiques other people's punting, this is very weak.
AJ
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YAIYAM
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Re: Football system 2008-9Middlesborough @ 3.5 vs Tottenham @ 2.36
Everton @ 2.08 vs Blackburn @ 4.4
West Ham @ 2.08 vs Wigan @ 4.4
Aston Villa @ 1.91 vs Man City @ 5.3
Portsmouth @ 14.5 away vs Chelsea
Newcastle @ 15.5 away vs Man Utd
Its not the same as red/black at a casino because you are doing more than one bet so even if you are doubling up on one you are probably using profit from the other winners to place the bets on the others because as today shows on the first 3 matches he has got back
3.5+2.08+4.4 = 9.98 so the most he can possibly lose this week is .02(+commision i guess) so next weeks bets will effectively be a new 14 point bet.
I would think what he is trying to achieve is keeping his head above water for the first 3/4 rounds of games and hitting a win on the later ones and although as you say you get to 32 points on the 6th round you should effectively have won close to or more than those 32 points along the way.
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RightJudgeIam
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| accajacca wrote: | people use this in casinos on red and black etc. it's called Martingale betting and in short you double up 'til you win.
the problem being of course that if a team goes 5 games without a win (regular occurence) your next bet will be 32 points of a 50 point bank on a team out of form.
people who bet like this lose, and i can't believe you are labelling it as a "system" !!
i remember reading a thread you started yonks ago backing/laying favourites and doubling up 'til you win and trying to pass it off as a combination of marxism and gambling!
honestly judge, you seem like an alright bloke alot of the time, but for someone who claims to be a pro gambler and often critiques other people's punting, this is very weak.
AJ |
I proved this worked last season and as you can see from todays results it is not at all the same as the casino red/black scenario as the odds are different as YY has pointed out
I will post the results as I go and we will see whether it wipes out or whether it makes a decent profit (as it did in 2007-
The system you are referring to was not a doubling up system at all. The dialectic method (the Marxist approach) is designed to win a fixed amount and the stakes are varied according to the odds. I cant be bothered to explain all the details to you but basically the idea is to bet every favourite to win the fixed amount, recovering lost stakes as you go. The clever bit is that, in another betting exchange, you also lay the same horse to win the same fixed amount (X) and recover losses in the same way. Doing this you would in effect win X every time a favourite wins and also win X everytime a favourite loses.
The only reason I'm not doing it is:
1) it requires you to be at your desk for every race
2) you need about 1000 points in each bank (both for backing and laying)
3) I don't need the money
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement!
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 1: Round 1
Middlesborough @ 3.5 vs Tottenham @ 2.36
Everton @ 2.08 vs Blackburn @ 4.4
West Ham @ 2.08 vs Wigan @ 4.4
Aston Villa @ 1.91 vs Man City @ 5.3
Portsmouth @ 14.5 away vs Chelsea
Newcastle @ 15.5 away vs Man Utd
staked: 10 points
returned: 11.89 points
running toal: +1.89
teams remaining for Cycle 1: Round 2
Newcastle
Everton
Man City
Wigan
Portsmouth
Tottenham
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SIR_Bond
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Whats happend with The Handicap Snip thread you not doing that any more ?
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Solerina
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| SIR_Bond wrote: | | Whats happend with The Handicap Snip thread you not doing that any more ? |
Taking a time out i'd imagine after losing over 120 pts in just over a week.
prehaps back with a bang in the winter for the jumps RJI???
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 1: Round 2 matches
Saturday
Newcastle @ 1.85 vs Bolton
Tottenham @ 1.59 vs Sunderland
WBA vs Everton @ 1.68
Sunday
Man City @ 2.4 vs West Ham
Wigan @ 9.2 vs Chelsea
Monday
Portsmouth @ 6.2 vs Man Utd
2 points win each
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RightJudgeIam
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Interestingly the 4 teams that won in round 1 (West Ham, Villa, Boro and Blackburn all failed to win in round 2)
Cycle 1 round 2
staked: 12 points
returned: 11.86 points
total: -0.14 points
running total: + 1.75 points
remaining teams (Tottenham, Wigan and Portsmouth) to be backed 4 points each in their next game
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Gorg_George
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I remember you implementing this system last season, very interested to see how it works out for you RJI, best of luck.
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accajacca
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| RightJudgeIam wrote: | Interestingly the 4 teams that won in round 1 (West Ham, Villa, Boro and Blackburn all failed to win in round 2)
Cycle 1 round 2
staked: 12 points
returned: 11.86 points
total: -0.14 points
running total: + 1.75 points
remaining teams (Tottenham, Wigan and Portsmouth) to be backed 4 points each in their next game |
i'm not going to keep having a go because it's your thread and your "system", but this week am i correct in saying you will be betting 37.8% of your bank on 3 teams who haven't managed a point between them so far purely on the grounds that "they have to win some time"??
furthermore, if each of those teams fails to win, you won't have enough left in your bank to double up again - meaning the system will be finished 3 weeks into the season.
just to reiterate, i would strongly discourage you or anyone else from adopting a betting style that involves blindly doubling up. you WILL go bust. maybe not this week, maybe not this year, but it is an eventual inevitability unless you have a limitless bank - which is not the case here.
AJ
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nick1176wba
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if my maths is correct he has to stake 4 points per team, thats 3 teams so 3x4=12 points
12 points as a percentage of a starting bank of 50 is 24%
also he already as a profit of +1.75 pointa
therefore 12 points as a percentage of 51.75 is 23.2%
edited to add
and if two of the three teams win almost guranteeing a profit on the starting bank i think he will void the last team off and just start the cycle again
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accajacca
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| nick1176wba wrote: | if my maths is correct he has to stake 4 points per team, thats 3 teams so 3x4=12 points
12 points as a percentage of a starting bank of 50 is 24%
also he already as a profit of +1.75 pointa
therefore 12 points as a percentage of 51.75 is 23.2%
edited to add
and if two of the three teams win almost guranteeing a profit on the starting bank i think he will void the last team off and just start the cycle again |
the starting bank for the premier league was 30. +1.75 = 31.75.
12 / 31.75 x 100 = 37.8%
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lochsong
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Regardless of whether the system works or not, I'll be a maths expert by the end.
Good luck judge.
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nick1176wba
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yeah sorry your right i was going from the notes point 4 where he said about a 50 point starting bank
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RightJudgeIam
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| accajacca wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | Interestingly the 4 teams that won in round 1 (West Ham, Villa, Boro and Blackburn all failed to win in round 2)
Cycle 1 round 2
staked: 12 points
returned: 11.86 points
total: -0.14 points
running total: + 1.75 points
remaining teams (Tottenham, Wigan and Portsmouth) to be backed 4 points each in their next game |
i'm not going to keep having a go because it's your thread and your "system", but this week am i correct in saying you will be betting 37.8% of your bank on 3 teams who haven't managed a point between them so far purely on the grounds that "they have to win some time"??
furthermore, if each of those teams fails to win, you won't have enough left in your bank to double up again - meaning the system will be finished 3 weeks into the season.
just to reiterate, i would strongly discourage you or anyone else from adopting a betting style that involves blindly doubling up. you WILL go bust. maybe not this week, maybe not this year, but it is an eventual inevitability unless you have a limitless bank - which is not the case here.
AJ |
in fact I have several hundred points available should it be necessary... the 50 or 30 points was just an arbitary figure. I did say in the original notes that one could have any number of points to make it 'safer'.
In fact with Portsmouth away at Everton, Wigan away at Hull and Tottenham away at Chelsea in the next round I only need one of those teams to win to at least return the money from round 3 (shortest price is Wigan at 3.1 currently).
Yes, the whole point is that these teams are bound to win a game at some point and yes if I end up with one team left I will start a new cycle with the 10 teams. I may also replace a team in the list if they are struggling (I started with Bolton last year and removed them after 2 cycles as they were struggling so badly).
Tottenham are around 9/1 to beat Chelsea and I may reduce the stake on them to 2 points, as they only 'owe' me 3 points from rounds 1 and 2, and would win 18 should they somehow manage to beat Chelsea. Realistically though they have little chance (Chelsea are virtually unbeatable at home so there's no point wasting the extra 2 points, and if Wigan and Portsmouth win I will re-start no matter what Tottenham do). That will mean stakes in round 3 of 10 points. Remember, the whole point is to win your money on each team when they eventually win.
I followed this all last season and it never wiped out so let's see what actually happens.
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accajacca
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well you see that is a different kettle of fish. my gripe with this system as you well know from my rantings is the blind doubling of bets, which i will say one last time, means you would lose long term.
if we're now saying that you're making judgement calls on a game by game basis it alters things slightly.
in any case i feel i've added enough negativity here so i'll cease to contribute.
2 parting thoughts;
progressive gambling systems will eventually go bust
pro gamblers don't chase losses.
AJ
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RightJudgeIam
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Professonal punters are those who earn their living by betting. I personally know several pro punters that earn a very nice living solely from systematic punting methods. They would certainly not fit into any stereotypical image of a flash wide boy lumping thousands on so caled 'inside info tips'.
There are some on this forum that know roughly how, and how much, I have won over the last 5 years. The vast majority of that was achieved in a sustained all-out attack lasting nearly 18 months when I landed a succession of huge touches, interspersed with the daily grind of backing and laying.
Fortunately, I am now in a position not to need to work 16 hours plus every day in the search of outstanding bets and therefore I am happily able to indulge my interest in other areas. I started punting on football for the first time last season and this is the only punting I do on football in the season. The stakes on football are a quarter of 1 point on a horse race bet so they're relatively small compared to my available to bet (1/400th) and about 1/1600 of my total profit in the last 5 years.
Not that I realy give a monkeys' what you or anyone else thinks to be honest.
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accajacca
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| RightJudgeIam wrote: | Professonal punters are those who earn their living by betting. I personally know several pro punters that earn a very nice living solely from systematic punting methods. They would certainly not fit into any stereotypical image of a flash wide boy lumping thousands on so caled 'inside info tips'.
There are some on this forum that know roughly how, and how much, I have won over the last 5 years. The vast majority of that was achieved in a sustained all-out attack lasting nearly 18 months when I landed a succession of huge touches, interspersed with the daily grind of backing and laying.
Fortunately, I am now in a position not to need to work 16 hours plus every day in the search of outstanding bets and therefore I am happily able to indulge my interest in other areas. I started punting on football for the first time last season and this is the only punting I do on football in the season. The stakes on football are a quarter of 1 point on a horse race bet so they're relatively small compared to my available to bet (1/400th) and about 1/1600 of my total profit in the last 5 years.
Not that I realy give a monkeys' what you or anyone else thinks to be honest. |
there's really no need to be quite so defensive. if you can't discuss the merits/downsides of a system and don't give a monkeys what anyone thinks then why post it on a public forum in the first place?
the answer of course is that you do give a monkeys what people think, which is why you go to such lengths to paint the "pro" picture and get so irate when anyone questions your method.
i may not be a pro, but at least i openly discuss my winning AND losing bets rather than accepting heaps of praise when one comes in and never mentioning it again when one doesn't. speaking of which old andy's gone quiet since the handicap snip took a turn for the worse hasn't he?
you may be able to pull wool over a few eyes, but not mine. as you will recall i have caught you out once before trying to convince people of something ridiculous, further proving that you do care what they think.
best wishes with your system.
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RightJudgeIam
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with Wigan and Portsmouth both winning today it would be nice if Tottenham could complete the cycle by winning at Chelsea tomorrow ...lol
Whatever happens I will starting cycle 2 in the next batch of games.
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kickingkyle
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What were the prices today? good results though
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RightJudgeIam
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| kickingkyle wrote: | | What were the prices today? good results though |
I got 3.0 average for Wigan and 4.3 for Portsmouth. Spurs 10.5.
will update results after the Spurs game
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 1 Round 3
Wigan 4 points @ 3.0
Portsmouth 4 points @ 4.3
Tottenham 2 points @ 10.5
total staked 10 points
returned 29 points
profit 19 points
cycle closed
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cycle 1 total profit = 20.75 points (minus commission)
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YAIYAM
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are you sticking to the Premier or doing another league or doing 2 leagues now
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RightJudgeIam
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YY, I am sticking with the Prem for the moment. As I am unfamiliar with the teams in the other divisions I am going to let a pecking order get established before selecting my 10 teams (will wait til at least 10 games have been played before starting - will choose, say, the 5th placed to 14th)
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 1:
1 point win each of these
Blackburn @ 5.0 vs Arsenal
Man City @ 4.8 vs Chelsea
Newcastle @ 1.71 vs Hull
Portsmouth @ 2.08 vs Middlesborough @ 4.3
West Brom vs West Ham @ 3.15
Stoke vs Everton @ 2.3
Tottenham @ 2.22 vs Aston Villa @ 3.7
Wigan @ 2.14 vs Sunderland
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 1 results:
staked: 10 points
returned: 8.08 points
running total: -1.92 points
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cycle 2 Round 2
two points each on remaining teams:
West Ham
Newcastle
Tottenham
Middlesborough
Man City
Wigan
Blackburn
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penleguin
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Judge
I'm curious about your system and have been applying it to the Scottish Premier without actually betting yet. Perhaps this league is too small, but I've just taken out the Old Firm so left with 10 teams - not sure anyone is as bad as Gretna this year.
Cycle 1, I had small losses first 2 rounds, then an excellent round 3 resulting in a hefty profit for the first cycle. This is pretty similar to what you had for the Premiership.
In you past experience, is it the case that the big profits come from round 3 on? i.e. would it make sense to do the system for the first 2 rounds, but only start betting at round 3?
Cheers
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RightJudgeIam
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| penleguin wrote: | Judge
I'm curious about your system and have been applying it to the Scottish Premier without actually betting yet. Perhaps this league is too small, but I've just taken out the Old Firm so left with 10 teams - not sure anyone is as bad as Gretna this year.
Cycle 1, I had small losses first 2 rounds, then an excellent round 3 resulting in a hefty profit for the first cycle. This is pretty similar to what you had for the Premiership.
In you past experience, is it the case that the big profits come from round 3 on? i.e. would it make sense to do the system for the first 2 rounds, but only start betting at round 3?
Cheers |
yes you could do that and it may work..
however, the whole premise of the thing is that we are going to make profit on each team on the list 'eventually'. So, although it appears that you have made a small loss on round 1 and 2, in fact your profit is hidden because the remaining teams haven't won yet.
Also, by not betting in round one you risk missing either a round where 7 or 8 of the teams win (this can happen) and/or a massive priced winner (like Bolton at Man Utd last year).
You can just monitor as you go. For me though, I am confident that the significant profit will come and I look on the whole thing as a sequence.
I started investigating methods like this because I wanted something that I could just take my brain out and run on autopilot.. as a break from deep thought skill based betting.
Lets see what happens in the rest of cycle 2
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penleguin
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Thanks Judge, will continue to watch the system with interest.
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 2:
2 points each on these teams
Blackburn @ 2.22 vs Fulham
Sunderland vs Middlesborough @ 3.3
West Ham @ 2.1 vs Newcastle @ 4.0
Man City @ 2.2 vs Portsmouth
Tottenham @ 1.8 vs Wigan @ 5.8
14 points staked
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 2 results
staked 14 points
returned 13.04 points
P/L: -0.96 points
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I am now left with Tottenham, Newcastle, Wigan and Middlesborough for round 3.
At this point I am going to have a serious think about whether I want to continue with Spurs and Newcastle given that they don't look like winning a game anytime soon (bottom and second bottom of the league)...
got a week to decide what to do. I removed Bolton at around this stage last year as they were struggling.
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 3:
I am continuing despite my reservations about the teams left.
4 points on each of these
Middlesborough @ 1.84 vs West Bromich Albion
Newcastle @ 2.66 vs Blackburn Rovers
Portsmouth vs Tottenham @ 3.4
Wigan @ 3.35 vs Man City
16 points staked
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 3 results
staked 16 points
returned 13.4 points
P/L : -2.6 points
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 4: 8 points on these
Wigan vs Middlesborough @ 4.3
Everton vs Newcastle @ 5.4
Tottenham @ 1.71 vs Hull
24 points staked
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lenahan
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Been keeping an eye on this judge. Surely Tottenham tommoro are value ? Im tempted.
Good luck with this 
I have been told to look out for teams in the championship who sit between 5th and 19th in the table. Look for a team that has drawn 4 or more on the bounce and then keep backing them to win doubling stake until they duely oblige. I dont know for sure if it works or not but it sounds plausable given the nature of the championship as a league.
edits to add: or maybe that was 4 or more games without a win? I cant remember exactly. Ill have to find out as it was something like this.
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RightJudgeIam
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Cheers Lenahan
would be nice if one of the North Eastern tems won... I'm not too bothered though as I have much bigger fish to fry on saturday...am having a monster punt on a horse and the stake would be 160 points if it were a football bet 
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lenahan
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Wow. Ill be keeping an eye out for your Horse postings then and keeping my fingers crossed. Think Boro have a chance at Wigan. Looks like one of them games where the result really could be anything so Boro at the prices are a pretty good bet.
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 Round 4 results:
staked 24 points
returned 34.4 points
profit 10.4 points
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lenahan
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Good result there with Boro in the end then judge
Was staggered Spurs lost again this weekend. They are one to follow now though as they are gonna go in at a value price somewhere along the line over the next few games.
Whats the total P&L on the system for the season as a whole so far ?
And any idea on the most points you have been down in total at any point so far?
ps: Unlucky with your big bet on Liberation on saturday 
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RightJudgeIam
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Cycle 2 results
round 1: -1.92
round 2: -0.96
round 3: -2.60
round 4: +10.40
profit on cycle: +4.92
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a real shame that NUFC couldnt find a late winner against Everton today as that would have returned over 40 points.
I am in a quandary now. The two remaining teams, Tottenham and Newcastle, don't look like getting a win any time soon (in fact I very nearly removed both of them after round two of this cycle); to continue the system would mean having 16 points on both of these teams in their next game. Sods' Law states that if I don't do it they will both win and if I do they won't
Given the two cycles have produced a profit of 25 points so far I am loathe to chuck that all away now.
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RightJudgeIam
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Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked
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accajacca
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may i just say that in spite of my not liking this style of punting i very much hope this comes in for you tomorrow.
obviously from a personal perspective i want spurs to start winning (badly) and i also have a soft spot for the geordies (long suffering like us yiddos) but that aside i always prefer to see a punter win than lose, even if i dispute the method.
good luck
AJ
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nick1176wba
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| RightJudgeIam wrote: | Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked |
i hope ur laying to at least get ur 10points back 10mins left a man down could end in tears
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FallonFacta
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| nick1176wba wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked |
i hope ur laying to at least get ur 10points back 10mins left a man down could end in tears |
City have just scored!
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RightJudgeIam
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| nick1176wba wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked |
i hope ur laying to at least get ur 10points back 10mins left a man down could end in tears |
I was just about to start laying off when Man City scored on 86 mins..it was 1.35 to lay at the time and I was waiting to see if I could lay the whole 20 points at 1.2 or so..
anyway I will now remove Tottenham and start again...deciding who to replace Spurs with, possibly Bolton who are always good for an upset at big odds
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accajacca
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| RightJudgeIam wrote: | | nick1176wba wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked |
i hope ur laying to at least get ur 10points back 10mins left a man down could end in tears |
I was just about to start laying off when Man City scored on 86 mins..it was 1.35 to lay at the time and I was waiting to see if I could lay the whole 20 points at 1.2 or so..
anyway I will now remove Tottenham and start again...deciding who to replace Spurs with, possibly Bolton who are always good for an upset at big odds |
so are you just writing off this cycle with a circa 15 point loss?
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nick1176wba
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| accajacca wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | | nick1176wba wrote: | | RightJudgeIam wrote: | Ok well the system says 16 points each on Tottenham and Newcastle this weekend. Both teams could easily win..however I am not prepared to lose all the profit made so far (25 points) in one round so I have cut the bet to 10 points each
Cycle 2 Round 5:
Stoke vs Tottenham @ 2.28
Newcastle @ 3.2 vs Man City
20 points staked |
i hope ur laying to at least get ur 10points back 10mins left a man down could end in tears |
I was just about to start laying off when Man City scored on 86 mins..it was 1.35 to lay at the time and I was waiting to see if I could lay the whole 20 points at 1.2 or so..
anyway I will now remove Tottenham and start again...deciding who to replace Spurs with, possibly Bolton who are always good for an upset at big odds |
so are you just writing off this cycle with a circa 15 point loss? |
as you have mentioned on this thread before a good gambler doesnt chase loses and isnt the whole point of any system long term profit,
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RightJudgeIam
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yes I cant see it is worth persevering with Tottenham...I will accept the loss and start a new cycle. From what I saw tonight, Newcastle will be winning games soon but Tottenham look totally devoid of any fight. Why oh why didn't I chose Hull City at the start?
Still leaves me with a profit from the start of the season though...
am thinking about starting with the Championship too now. Will look at the table and track records so far
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