Hampton
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First Failed Drugs Test Of The GamesUkrainian Liudmyla Blonska who won Silver in the Heptathlon has failed a drugs test.
Her A Sample tested posative & if the B sample is also posative she will be stripped of her medal.
She has been banned for 2 years for failing a drugs test before these Games.
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Papa 2
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Re: First Failed Drugs Test Of The Games | Hampton wrote: | Ukrainian Liudmyla Blonska who won Silver in the Heptathlon has failed a drugs test.
Her A Sample tested posative & if the B sample is also posative he will be stripped of her medal.
She has been banned for 2 years for failing a drugs test before these Games. |
Freudian slip or what, I can never tell with some of them. 
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accajacca
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Re: First Failed Drugs Test Of The Games | Hampton wrote: | Ukrainian Liudmyla Blonska who won Silver in the Heptathlon has failed a drugs test.
Her A Sample tested posative & if the B sample is also posative she will be stripped of her medal.
She has been banned for 2 years for failing a drugs test before these Games. |
actually the 5th failed drug test of the games so far.
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RightJudgeIam
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In weightlifting if any athlete fails a drugs test the entire team is disqualified from the event
if this was applied across the board in all sports and was combined with lifetime bans, huge fines and/or criminal prosecution with prison sentences then the National Olympic Associations would soon sort out their athletes.
Of course there is always the question of the testing keeping up with the pharmacists but surely the punishment would be so severe that the risk would not be worth it.
time to get really tough and boot the cheats out
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Hampton
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Re: First Failed Drugs Test Of The Games | Papa 2 wrote: | | Hampton wrote: | Ukrainian Liudmyla Blonska who won Silver in the Heptathlon has failed a drugs test.
Her A Sample tested posative & if the B sample is also posative he will be stripped of her medal.
She has been banned for 2 years for failing a drugs test before these Games. |
Freudian slip or what, I can never tell with some of them. |
Wonder who gets to do the sex tests? 
Mind you it's pretty certain you know it's man when they are in them skin tight outfits!  
I think the mens relay runners have to make sure it's the baton they grab!
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lenahan
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| RightJudgeIam wrote: | In weightlifting if any athlete fails a drugs test the entire team is disqualified from the event
if this was applied across the board in all sports and was combined with lifetime bans, huge fines and/or criminal prosecution with prison sentences then the National Olympic Associations would soon sort out their athletes.
Of course there is always the question of the testing keeping up with the pharmacists but surely the punishment would be so severe that the risk would not be worth it.
time to get really tough and boot the cheats out |
I agree RJI in that i think tougher stances need to be taken.
Even when the cheats and there chemists are ahead of the testers its usually a case of everyone knowing doping is going on but not being able to prove it. Im a believer in innocence until proven guilty and benefit of the doubt and all that but it does have its major drawbacks and weaknesses. Sometimes its wrong to offer these philosophys in life.
Usually everyone knows when cheating is going on and it should be easier for athletes and their associations to flush out and rat out the dirty players.
I think it could be a good idea to come down tough on the associations with dirty athletes. Even if they couldnt prove anything maybe they would not pick people to represent them when they knew they were dirty ?
It happens all the time with the Eastern Europeans/Russians/Former Soviet states in that you get BIG improvers at the big competitions. Many athletes from these places have doping history or then end up getting caught out in the future.
I guess your potentially opening up a legal muddle here but far more does need to be done imo towards associations/athletes and the like.
Micheal Johnson was spot on what he said about Sotherton today. It was interesting to hear her statement but its a shame her performance was not better. It does appear her thoughts on the other athletes maybe took her own eye off the ball as she was competeing. If she had concentrated and performed better and maybe got that bronze then chances are she would have been awarded the gold as youd have to be suspicious of the other Ukrainian girl as well given her massive Pbs and improvements for Gold after not showing much before.
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jennywales
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It's an interesting question - on the one hand, I am all for harsher sanctions, of whatever sort, against people caught cheating by using drugs of whatever type. On the other hand, there are so many grey areas (including in Team GB's case notoriously the question of missing tests as opposed to testing positive) that at the least some sort of appeal mechanism, in both directions, should be available. After all, both the testers and the testees can make mistakes, and it would be foolish to assume that labs get every test right, every time, out of the hundreds of thousands that they must conduct every year. I know that the testing authorities try to keep the chain of evidence intact, but the experience with that Irish swimmer who was alleged to have tampered with samples, for example, shows how very difficult it is to get the system perfect 100% of the time.
On the other hand, once an appeal is exhausted and rejected, then yes, I do believe that sanctions should be heavily increased, and particularly sanctions against national associations, who have in the past been known to condone and even encourage drug use, and whose habits may well have died hard. There should be some sort of sanction against the association as well as the individual. And maybe associations should put more resources into monitoring coaches and athletes out of competition - I don't know how extensively this is done, but the threat of punishment for associations would surely focus their minds!
As a matter of interest, Judge, has there ever been a problem in judo? As a sport based partly on weight and power, I can see that there might have been, but I haven't heard of anything. Weightlifting seems to have cleaned up its act by disqualifying the team as well as the individual - a great deterrent!
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RightJudgeIam
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Jenny
there has been one disqualification in judo history and that was the fault of a doctor who gave a fighter some tablets for 'water on the knee'..
unfortunately that drug was on the banned list as it is a diuretic and could be used to help a fighter make weight...the fighter in question was not in any way trying to cheat.
Regarding the Heptathlon gold medallist, I was immediately suspicious about her 5 or 6 PBs as she was well behind Sotherton in the last World Champs. Kelly improved her score by 7 points yet was several hunderd points behind..
the disqualification of the silver medallist confirms the suspicion and I am convinced Sotherton has been robbed of an Olympic medal
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Owl of Minerva
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Would the heptathalon gold medalist have been tested after winning gold? If she cheated would she not have been caught? Surely all gold medalists get tested . . .
Or are you suggesting that she may have been taking as yet untraceable drugs?
I agree that it's deeply suspicious to see her improve so much out of the blue.
But would a simple test not have found her out in the same way it did the silver medalist?
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RightJudgeIam
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Owl
firstly she is a team mate of the silver medallist who failed the test..and also scored a massive PB
secondly it is quite possible that any performance enhancing substances were taken weeks ago, during the training phase, and have now passed out and are undetectable. This applies to any athlete not just the heptathlon medallist by the way.
In all probability there are people taking all kinds of stuff that's not even tested for. It happened before and in the recent past. THG, the drug Dwaine Chambers was taking, was unknown to WADA and only became known because a coach grassed up the BALCO people.. otherwise they would still be on it
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DunDoire
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The Chinese are a disgrace - surely the 2 swimmers who came 1-2 are on drugs.
The girl who won was 22nd in the world this time last year. No big deal there in fairness it is possible to improve your position in one year but it is absolutely impossible to go from 2:12 to 2:04 in one year. Absolutely impossible.
I thought Gary O'Toole(former Irish swimmer) put it bluntly(but more than likely correctly) when asked last week how she has not tested positive in the months/year leading up to the games. He basically said that in a country of 1.2billion people that it is quite easy to find a "ringer" and have her tested instead.
Has no-one here questioned this swimming result here before? Especially with the form that the Chinese have with super-doping in previous Olympic games.
Look at all their weight-lifters winning gold too. It stinks. They will do anything to put on over on the the rest of the world.
Its disgusting......
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Hampton
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I must admit when I saw the Chinese weight lifters winning I did have the thought that it looked slighlty wrong! They are such small woman & to lift the weights they did just didn't seem right!
Still no news of any of them failing tests at any stage!
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