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| Jimbob |
2008 Formula1 SeasonThe mighty prancing horse of Ferrari will be victorious once more!! Kimi The Iceman will once again put the overated scumbag Hamilton firmly in his place and Alonso will humiliate him showing Ron Dennis & all the others at the team that tried to cheat their way into a championship last season that they got rid of the wrong driver!!!My Prediction for the Drivers Championship; 1. Kimi 2. Alonso 3. Massa 4. Hamilton 5. Heidfeld Good to see the mighty Schumi back in a car the other day by the way 
Can anybody give me prices on Kimi & Alonso to win the Championship as Oddschecker has now been blocked by the powers that be in the office 
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| archie mackenzie |
hello jimbob
may i ask a wee question ive always whated to ask a motor sport fan it is what is so fasatnating watching lumps of metal on wheels driving around in circles anyway jimbob the following prices from oddschecker kimi 8-5 sportingodds alonso 9-1 betdirect,coral,william hill,stan james best prices cheers archie. |
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| Jimbob |
Hi Archie. Cheers for that. on Alonso could be worth a small bet now he is out of the Mcliar Mercedes who wouldn't let him win last year for fear of upsetting the inferior Hamilton. Kimi & Alonso are really a cut above the rest. As a Ferrari fan, I would love to see Massa win it as I have followed his career since the start & knew he was something special the first time I saw him but he will have to produce something extraordinary to beat Kimi & Alonso.
In answer to your question, what I love about sport in general is the tactics involved and motorsport in general, although to the casual observer it doesn't look it, is one of the most tactical sports out there! It really annoys me when people say it is all the car & the drivers have nothing to do with who wins That is like saying Jockeys have no talent and it just depends on what horse they are on. Of course the car(and the horse for that matter) is very important but it isn't the be all and end all of who wins. If that were the case, Michael Schumacher would never have won two world championships in a Benneton!
Now Motor Racing can be boring as any sport can but it can also be the most exhilarating sport going!! When to pit, how much fuel to put in, what tyres to be on, when to make a move & when to sit back, these are the things that decide a race!! I tell you what though. I'm never going to Silverstone again. 4 hour traffic jams, when you get there it is full of idiots who know very little about the sport and just want to see a British Driver win(not caring about the safety of anybody else. If they ain't British they don't care). Watch the Belgian or the Spanish GP's as they are the most entertaining. Then you may be a convert Archie
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| MT VESSELS |
I would like to see Massa make a good go of it this year.
Hope that petulant spoilt brat Alonso finishes knowhere. Do thin that Ferrari will be the best by far this year. Got a gut feeling that McLaren will have a stinker so making it a bit more interesting on the betting front race to race. MT jnr |
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| merrymozzer |
You will never convert me to the most boring "spectacle" on tv! Hours of mind sapping monotony as cars follow one another around the same track in the same order  The only time it gets mildly interesting is if one of the cars spins out of control and causes a pile up! Say what you like about technicalities and tactics it`s still boring  The only "sport" where the slowest have to give the fastest a start! Where`s the sport in that?
Rant over 
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| Jimbob |
Please explain to me how the slowest give the fastest a start? |
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| theGoingStick |
As in qualifying where you get pole position for driving the fastest lap ? |
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| Papa 2 |
I don't understand the question, surely the slowest cars are on the back of the grid, hence the start being referred to by merrymozzer. If the slow ones were at the front of the grid then there would be some fun, but also horrific accidents. Just as a point of information, in the London Marathon the fastest are always at the front to. 
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| Jimbob |
But everybody has equal chance to qualify on pole do they not? It's not as if Bernie Ecclestone is saying that nobody in a Super Aguri is allowed to qualify on Pole. It is just that the Super Aguri is not a good enough car to get pole. in theory they could do, just as in theory Luxembourg could win the World Cup. | ||||||
| Papa 2 |
I agree, everybody has a chance to get on pole position, but would the racing be more spectacular if the cars that have no chance of getting in that position were not allowed to race until they met a recognised benchmark, like athletes qualifying for the Olympics? or horses for certain races? nine times out of ten carnage happens in F1 racing just after the leaders have got away from the start, or when they are trying to lap inferior cars or drivers. The aforementioned is only a "what if" scenario because I am a firm believer that without losers there can't be winners hence the numbers of minnows in every single sport, good luck to them all.
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| merrymozzer |
Still boring  and now it`s on BBC it will be even worse as there will be no adverts to break up the monotony!
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| Owl of Minerva |
Carange in the GP!
Just about every driver was off the track at some point in that lap! Soaking wet |
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| BRETT |
give me nascar or irl any day.at least in these races its not decided who will win by the first turn as it seems to be most races in F1. | ||||||
| LongJ0n |
That grand prix was immense.. | ||||||
| Owl of Minerva |
Yeah i loved it too - best one i've seen in ages. Always better and more entertaining when it rains |
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| LongJ0n |
Totally agree Owl. Sometimes in the dry its a case of same old same old unless something out of the ordinary happens. The rain always brings up a great race though 
More please!! |
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| merrymozzer |
And of course we see no reply from Jimbo about the , Hamilton?
Anyway it`s still boring dross unlike today`s brilliant and exciting tennis final
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| geordie_racer |
when it rains, the driver talent take over from thetechnical to the extent that the best driver wins
hamilton showed the others how to drive yesterday,, he was magnificent |
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| Jimbob |
A great race! Not often I complement Hamilton and I have made my views on him very clear but credit where it's due, he was in awesome form. i would go so far to say it was Schumacher-esque! | ||||||
| MT VESSELS |
Exactly what i said to Papa2. Thought Reubens had an excellent drive as well. Cant beat a bit of rain to spice things up. Really spoilt yesterday with that and the tennis. One of the best sporting Sundays for a while. MT jnr |
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| lochsong |
Another superb race today.
Hamilton is either very very good, or the rest of the field is poor. 
Schuey wasn't going to be drawn on comparing himself to Lewey in the buildup.....
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| Templedog |
How anyone can slate him I will never know. Absolutley superb today, thought he had no chance after the 2nd pit-stop and he caught up within 4 laps!!!! The overtaking of Massa and Piquet was Schuey-esque. Jimbob you must have been impressed? |
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| LongJ0n |
Hamilton was impressive today..
Think that says it all! |
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| Jimbob |
Any thoughts on the new Valencia circuit?
Looks a good un to me!! Although Nakajima is going to need a police escort to get out of there I think
COME ON FELIPE!!!!
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| lochsong |
What an extraordinary finish to a grand Prix today.
Superb control by Hamilton again. Amazing! |
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| L.C. |
Wish it had lasted another lap mind!
Just heard that Hamilton has been demoted - i dont know why - at the time when he drove through the chicane, and overtook Raikkonen, but then let him overtake again, i still felt he gained an advantage, as he was then right up Raikkonens rear (ooh er missus) when he wasnt before the chicane. Cheers LC |
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| Jimbob |
Good to see the FIA(for once) not letting Hamilton cheat his way into another victory!!!
FELIPE FELIPE!!!
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| Rowan |
Good grief. "Drove through the chicane"? Would that be when Raikkonen FORCED him off the road into the RUNOFF AREA? When Hamilton was CLOSE ENOUGH to KR to have made a passing manouevre, and in fact be AHEAD? LH came back on the track, let KR go past, as the rules say he must. He then overtook when he was able to, as in the rules. No advantage was obtained, KR was back ahead not long after. He then spun and crashed because he couldn't handle the conditions. The race result was not changed in any way. If the incident had been the other way round, nothing would have been said. I'm not even a particular Hamilton fan (I support Heidfeld), I'm just sick of the Ferrari bias in F1 ruining the sport. A brilliant race has been turned into a farce. |
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| L.C. |
Hi Rowan
I'm not much of a Formula 1 fan, but i would disagree with you - Hamilton may have been marginally ahead, but he was on the outside, off the racing line, going into a chicane, i felt Raikkonen merely held the racing line and eased him off, not forced, a move that i would consider fair. Hamilton could never have properly made that overtaking move stick. For me, Hamilton again showed his inexperience, and should have held off, as he clearly had the fastest car. I might be wrong, not really into the sport, just calling it as i thought i saw it Cheers LC |
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| L.C. |
Sorry - 1 point i forgot to add - where i think Hamilton is unlucky, is the time it took the race stewards to decide on this decision. When Kovalinen took out Webber, it seemed barely 30 seconds had passed before it was announced that the stewards were investigating the incident, there was no such announcement re Hamilton. Whilst there was only a lap and a half to go, if Hamilton had known the stewards were at least looking at the incident, and that a retrospective stop and go penalty or drive through or whatever may have been issued, then it may have forced him to at least try and keep driving to the end and keep his lead above 25 seconds.
Cheers LC |
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| Jimbob |
To say the FIA has a Ferrari bias is laughable! The FIA are always slamming Ferrari with fines for silly thingas they let other teams get away with! Last season when they let Mclaren keep their drivers points when they had been cheating and spying on Ferrari(and the only person in the Mclaren team with the decency to speak out and tell the FIA about this was Fernando Alonso. Were it not for him, Dennis & his band of cheating muppets would have got away with it, what did they do to the only man in the Mclaren set up with an ounce of integrity? They made damn sure he wasn't going to win anything and practically dropped the little support they were giving him so they could do yet mor mollycoddling to their daring boy Hamilton). Had Ferrari been spying and cheating like Mclaren, they woud have had all their points, drivers as well as constructors taken away and probably have been banned for a couple of seasons as well. | ||||||
| Jimbob |
LC, in fairness, there were so many things going on at the end of that race, the stewards probably didn't have time to make any immediate decisions | ||||||
| MT VESSELS |
Fantastic to watch for sheer 'whats going to happen next' in those last couple of laps.
Shame about the time penalty, very harsh. Massa causes mayhem the week before and gets a fine
At least it is going to be another exciting finish for the 2nd season on the bounce. Massa really is showing his worth this season whilst Kimi is having a nightmare. MT jnr |
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| lochsong |
What a bloody shame.
As far as I can see, the only mistake Hamilton made was that half spin at the start of the second lap that allowed Ferrari muppet no.1 to overtake in the first place. Otherwise this farce wouldn't be happening. As for Ferrari muppet no. 2, he lost the race before it even started when Hamilton nicked pole position off him. Then he lets muppet no.1 overtake him at the start. He wont win the championship. I felt bad after muppet no. 1 pranged his car because I laughed. Had the race in his hands and lost his cool. He wont be winning the championship either.
ps - I thought the reason Lewis cut the chicane was because Muppet no. 1 had shoved him (however legitimately) into the path of a car coming back onto the track so Lewis took the only evasive action he could - then intentionaly lets the muppet take the lead again (so obvious). |
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| Rowan |
He may not have made it stick but he was entitled to go for it. When I say forced, I meant in the sense of "to avoid a collision" rather than a Schumacher style move - both drivers were entitled to be where they were and I think it's unfair to call it inexperience on Hamilton's behalf. Plenty of drivers do it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - it does at least make good viewing! McLaren consulted the race director Charlie Whiting who told them what they did was legitimate (handing back the place). There's nothing in the rule to say there has to be a certain amount of time or distance lost, just that the place be relinquished. Ultimately the question should be like it is in horse racing - was the result affected? The answer is no. Raikkonen spun off when in the lead with the race his for the taking. Massa was too far back to be affected. On the other hand - it means Heidfeld was second! 
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| Rowan |
It was one of the more exciting races I've seen in a while. |
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| suejoe |
If you want some real excitement watch Moto GP!
I'll get my coat.............gone! Sue
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| Jimbob |
Come on here spouting nonsense like that again and your in trouble!!! 
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| pickles |
As my dad says, in horse racing, if you take the wrong course and even let the other horses back in front of you, you a DQ'ed.
Im happy with the decision since im a big Massa fan. Paddy power are bettting 8/11 Hamilton gets the points back tho
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| lochsong |
That doesn't surprise me.
Ferrari supremo siding with Hamilton. Beware - appeals aren't allowed against time penalties... |
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| lochsong |
OK.
Hands up, I got it all wrong. It happened so fast and the old memory isn't what it used to be. Let's watch it again a few times and reassess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5vz2BWYxQ&feature=bz301 |
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| lochsong |
OK
and now for the German comentary - not as excited as the Italians...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRx3AZx-11o&NR=1 |
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| lochsong |
Yeah
You'd have to be pretty hard hearted to take that race away from Hamilton. But He's the kind of man that does his talking on the track. Time will tell.
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| MT VESSELS |
Going to be very interesting tomorrow
Kova on 2nd, Massa 6th, Kimi 14th Hamilton 15th
Well played Vettel on his pole. MT jnr |
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| L.C. |
Yes, will be watching again this week - always like the prospect of a wet race, brings a more level playing field to the race.
They should wet the track before every race!
Cheers LC |
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| Jimbob |
This isn't Cheltenham you know
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| Jimbob |
I really don't see the point of safety car starts. Why don't they just wait til it's safe to race?
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| lochsong |
Could this F1 season get any better?
1 point difference at the top of the leaderboard with 4 races to go. Another German superstar waiting in the wings. I'm expecting red lines to be introduced on every chicane with camera replays and judges' decisions as to whether the lead has to be relinquished as a matter of course. (thanks Lewis) McLaren & Hamilton = simply the best. |
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| shamardal84 |
And the next race is the first night race... and a 60% chance of rain So thats darkness, rain and floodlights. Could it get any more exciting? |
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| lochsong |
Read some of this stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A41264048 |
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| Jimbob |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7627941.stm
"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book, and that's why I'm the best at my job. " And people tell me Hamilton isn't an arrogant tosspot!!! Also, if he's the "best at his job" how come Kimi is World Champion? Explain that one away Lewis you tax dodging unpatriotic moron!!!
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| lochsong |
I'll see your
And raise you Tozzi told Hamilton to "stop personalising" the issue as he was under instruction from Ferrari, who "know as much about Formula One as you do". Hamilton responded: "With respect, I doubt it." Bwaaaahahahahahahah Even I have laugh at that |
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| Jimbob |
So now he's saying he knows more about F1 than the entire Ferrari operation?
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| MT VESSELS |
So what does everyone think of this night time Grand Prix, a gimmick or test of skill.
I for one am looking forward to it, a bit of change doesnt do anyone any harm MT jnr |
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| lochsong |
Yup. 
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| lochsong |
Should be good. Let's hope Ferrari Internal Agents (FIA) don't spoil it.
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| MT VESSELS |
I thought it meant Ferrari Interference Allowed MT jnr |
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| lochsong |
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| LongJ0n |
Its purely a gimmick, itll be like driving in daytime with those floodlights! Apparently Ecclestones talking about turning the Japanese GP into a night one now too
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| lochsong |
If it rains those floodlights will throw up alot of glare.
They're fitting the boys with shades.
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| Jimbob |
When are Ferrari going to get themselves a competent Pit Crew?
They have the best car, two of the three best drivers out there and their pit crew will cost them a World Championship if they're not careful
On the bright side, I'm loving this night racing! More of it says I!!
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| lochsong |
Unlucky mate. I'd prefer the championship be won on the racing line.
Still, one can't help but look on it as poetic justice...
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| Jimbob |
Hold you hard Lochsong my friend! The Championship is far from over! Lewis was 18 points up with two races to go last year & look what happened! To coin a couple of Murray-isms, "anything can happen... and it usually does" and "F1 backwards is IF"
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| lochsong |
What does 'hold you hard' mean Jimbob?
I've asked a mate but he came up blank. (also this puts us above sue's annoying Moto GP thread - not that I've read it) *waits for SJ rebuff )
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| Jimbob |
It means don't count your chickens
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| Templedog |
Exactly! and still people slag off Hamilton! The lad is a class driver and has the blood of success running through him. Fantastic pole today. Just showing how much he learnt from last season and how he has matured dramatically in a year. I also see that Alonso's class is finally shining through this year. |
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| lochsong |
Just watched it. Niiice pole for Lewis.
He's getting a right slagging in the press. Everyone hates the guy. Too aggressive (unsafe), wont join the drivers union. To hell with them. Felipe down in 5th slot
Hope they had alot of fuel on board - lost 3/10's in the middle sector. Roll on tommorrow - my alarm clock is set for 5am!
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| lochsong |
Naughty naughty Massa.
Deserves to lose the Chpm for that. Having said that, Lewis has lost control again
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| MT VESSELS |
Lewis has got the wobbles again.
The only thing that lets him down is his immaturity both on the track and off it. I really wanted him to win it this year but am beginning to think if he did would it be too much for his already over inflated ego which is letting him down at the mo. He seemed more mature in his perona last year than this year Should just stick to what he does best. I think his best trait is his aggressive driving but he still hasnt learnt when and when not to use it. Still cant get away from what a great championship it has been this year especially with the BMW and more recently Renault coming into the fray. MT jnr |
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| Jimbob |
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| Jimbob |
Or should I say the Lewis Hamilton show! The amount of time ITV dedicate to this scumbag is ridicuous Thank God the BBC are getting F1 back
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| RightJudgeIam |
I'm watching...
don't believe the BBC will be any different with regards to Hamilton, especially if he is in the same position in the Drivers Championship with two races to go. He is British, a second season driver and leading the title race...fair enough grounds to focus on him. BBC will be exactly the same...they always latch onto a 'personality' whatever the sport (Frankie Dettori for example) and they will do the same. I dont know what LH has ever done to you but to call the man a 'scumbag' is a bit strong. I dont particularly like him either but I wouldnt insult him. Grow up a bit mate |
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| Jimbob |
RJI, I've made my views on Hamilton, and given reasons on countless occasions! The man is a scumbag! That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it(as indeed you are entitled to the opinion he isn't). | ||||||
| shamardal84 |
Just out of interest Jimbob, what do you think of Mark Webber? Imo, that guy is the worst, supposedly he said the other day that if Hamilton keeps driving like he is, he will kill someone. All that guy does is moan! |
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| RightJudgeIam |
yes you are entitled to it and welcome... just makes you look like an immature little tit...should keep your personal opinions and insults to yourself |
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| Jimbob |
I don't really have any strong views on Mark Webber either way. He is a bit of a moaner but then he is Australian so what do you expect
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| Jimbob |
Well it's going down to the wire in Brazil folks! Massa will probably win in Brazil. Let's hope Hamilton retires
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| LongJ0n |
The boy done good 
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| lochsong |
Thankyou Lewis, for being arrogant and aggressive and making F1 fun to watch again. After all, it is the cutting edge of motor sport, not the London to Brighton race.
I hope you have reflected that keeping a cool head last week would have seen you crowned champion this week!
That will come with time. Now go to Brazil and spank Felipe up and down his home track. Sir Lewis anyone?
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| MT VESSELS |
As he is the only attraction F1 has at the mo then i am not surprised. Who else is there????????? I am just made up that the new rules brought in has brought other teams into the reckoning and for the 2nd time in 2 years we have had the championship come down to the wire. I feel it has become a drivers championship again and not an offshoot of the constructors. Come on JB give us a smile for Lewis, we know you love him really
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| MT VESSELS |
Seems very strange that Ferrari have not been brought before the stewards for their blatant cheating with Kimi letting Massa through on Sunday. Wonder why that is? Oh yes, forgot, Ferrari.
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| lochsong |
So Ferrari don't want to go to a level playing field with the cars.
I wonder why that is? Probably because finishing 4th and 5th every race doesn't appeal much. Goodness knows without the £50m piece of kit each week, they've got nothing else to win with.
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| Jimbob |
It's because team tactics are not against the rules as long as they're done in the proper manner
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| Jimbob |
LS, before you say anything else, Toyota have said they will back Ferrari up & McLaren & Renault feel the same way as well! Part of the sport is the technical side of it! If you want to see everyone racing in the same car watch the(incredibly boring) A1GP. This is possibly the first thing ever Ferrari & McLaren agree on
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| lochsong |
Of course it is.
But who started throwing their toys out the pram first...? 
BTW how is Felipe taking the pressure?
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| pickles |
Hes Taking The Pressure Well
All we can hope for now is a engine failure for Lewis
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| Jimbob |
Nice one pickles my son!!
Moving away from Massa, Hamilton, Ferrari Mclaren etc for a minute, I hope DC has a good race in his last ever Grand Prix today. He's been a great servant to the sport and all too often doesn't get the credit he deserves. I wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do in the future
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| Owl of Minerva |
Go on Lewis!!
I know all of Britain will be right behind him. If Massa wins he'll be one of the worst ever drivers to win the world championship - can't happen |
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| shamardal84 |
COMES ON LEWIS!!
A nation holds its breath... 
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| Jimbob |
As opposed to Hamilton who can't even pay attention to a red light
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| Rowan |
What a complete disaster for him
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| Owl of Minerva |
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| Jimbob |
It would have been nice for him to at least make it to the line
Thanks for the memories DC!!! |
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| RightJudgeIam |
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| shamardal84 |
I agree, absolutely gutted for him, a great guy and will be sadly missed |
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| Owl of Minerva |
Yep well done DC - gave me a great day out when he won the only GP I've even attended in Melbourne a few years back
This should be easy for Lewis from here on. Just cruise to the finish . . . . |
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| RightJudgeIam |
this is not over | ||||||
| Owl of Minerva |
WHY DIDNT THEY JUST COPY GLOCK??????????????????? | ||||||
| RightJudgeIam |
what did I say |
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| RightJudgeIam |
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